Bush Admin. students of Nazi propaganda tactics?

all systems are the same, they just use a different name

Published on June 19, 2005 By Toblerone In Politics

The quote speaks for itself:

Comments (Page 3)

Leauki

on Jun 19, 2005

"Err no, a quiet disagreement doesn't not lose elections, hell not even a loud one does (remember the demostrations, opinion poles etc) Only a majority disagreement loses elections and that is exactly what the tactic is meant to deal with*cue mock scharmyness* you see everyone that knows something about democracy knows that."

Why can a majority disagreement not be quiet?

In a democracy, the majority makes the ruler, not the loudest faction. That is exactly what makes a democracy different from a fascist system.

Toblerone

on Jun 19, 2005

And if you believe that a president who holds an MBA and who can fly an aircraft (and land it on an aircraft carrier?) is a "joke", then I'm afraid you will find very few people who qualify as serious using your standards.

An MBA and the ability to fly a plane says absolute nothing about the man's character. You are right though, he isn't a joke, the fact a man like that is running an entire country isn't funny at all. Than god I'm Australian...no wait our PM sucks as well, DAMN!

Toblerone

on Jun 19, 2005

Why can a majority disagreement not be quiet?

In a democracy, the majority makes the ruler, not the loudest faction. That is exactly what makes a democracy different from a fascist system.

Well you're the one that started talking about volume and not proportions when obviously it is the latter that makes the difference. Again I'm not saying that democracies are EXACTLY like fascist regimes just that they both use similar tactics when swaying public opinion.

Dr Guy

on Jun 19, 2005

An MBA and the ability to fly a plane says absolute nothing about the man's character. You are right though, he is a joke, the fact a man like that is running an entire country isn't funny at all. Than god I'm Australian...no wait our PM sucks as well, DAMN!

Kind of hard to gloat when we are sitting in the same Boat. I like your PM. Hence why I dont trash him. (altho I know he has flaws as well).

BTW, the first part I do agree with. But I think Bush's character has survived the test of time and liberal rhetoric. Including the lame (yes lame) nazi comparison. if you want to debate his character, do so. Dont use something that has no bearing or is easily transferable to you as well.

Toblerone

on Jun 19, 2005

Including the lame (yes lame) nazi comparison.

As far as I can tell it was only a lame comparison because I chose the Nazis. If I had picked similar quote from a member of what ever party runs Micronesia everyone would be happy I suppose? And Micronesia has such sex appeal too, I regret missing that boat!
The point was not who had used the tactic but the tactic itself, I made the mistake of writing a eyecatching suductive headline and everyone is focusing on that rather than the quote and recent events. I thought the quote spoke for itself but apparently people have to be lead by the hand to see the comparison even with Dubya say stuff along the lines of "You either with us or against us."

I like your PM.

Well you can have him then. Do you actually know anything about him other than he's Bush's lap dog?

Dr Guy

on Jun 19, 2005

The point was not who had used the tactic but the tactic itself, I made the mistake of writing a eyecatching suductive headline and everyone is focusing on that rather than the quote and recent events. I thought the quote spoke for itself but apparently people have to be lead by the hand to see the comparison even with Dubya say stuff along the lines of "You either with us or against us."

And you used the same tactis. does that make you a nazi?

Dr Guy

on Jun 19, 2005

Well you can have him then. Do you actually know anything about him other than he's Bush's lap dog?

Yes thanks to Champas and PB. And Fox news.

bakerstreet

on Jun 19, 2005

"Why are we talking about Gulf War 1 now, that's a different kettle of fish my friend."

LMAO, urm... no it isn't. Iraq was not a nation at 'peace', Iraq was a nation functioning under the terms of a cease-fire that they VIOLATED time and time and time again. The reason he was 'contained' was because of his actions during the Gulf War.

I'm sure you'd LOVE for everyone to forget WHY Hussein was functioning under sanctions and MILITARY containment. I'm sure you'd LOVE for us to forget that Iraq wasn't just a sleepy little nation being bullied, rather than an oppressive regime that threatened his neighbors. That would make us appear to be attacking without provocation, instead of accepting his rejection of the cease-fire and going BACK to war.

Sorry, people don't forget so easily. I remember him thwarting the terms of peace and firing on our aircraft over and over again. I remember him working with China to upgrade his anti-aircraft batteries using fiber-optics equipment that the Clinton adminstration mediated the sale of.

Your propaganda relies much much more on ignorance than any the US government cranks out. Ignorance of Hussein, ignorance of what he had done, and what he was ready, willing, and soon-to-be-able to do, given that France, Germany, and China were poised to rearm him with vigor the moment sanctions ended.

bakerstreet

on Jun 19, 2005

Anyway, I thought you guys learned during the last Democratic fiasco (i.e. "election"), that comparing Bush or his administration's tactics to Nazis was asinine and just made Bush-haters look more insensitive and ignorant? I think so. Who's horrors do you want to hijack next? Maybe you can find a quote by Atilla the Hun or Idi Amin or something.

Would be just a relevant. My question would be "Why are we talking about the Iraq war now..."? You have some way of turning back time and stopping it? Or would you prefer us to abandon the Iraqi people?

Leauki

on Jun 19, 2005

Toblerone,

let me ask you something. A very simple question. But I find it an important question:

Why do you assume that Goering was right?

Looking at Germany's history, which part exactly made you think that Goering was right and his shrink was wrong?

Daiwa

on Jun 19, 2005

The sum total of your contribution to the original article was, "The quote speaks for itself." So don't get your knickers in a wad if we fail to comprehend what you "meant." How anyone could compare what's happening here to fascism is beyond comprehension, anyway. You want to throw bombs from Down Under, feel free, but be careful to look down... your ignorance is showing. Disagreeing with policies & decisions is fine. Offering alternative constructive ideas is fine. But this is stupid. Sorry, it just is.

Cheers,
Daiwa

bakerstreet

on Jun 19, 2005

This is just another "Bush is Hitler" picket sign in the guise of some moralist sermon. It just shows that Nazis or anyone functioning at any level of evil could get a standing ovation from the Left as long as they can use them as a weapon.

To me, the ideal-less propaganda tactics, the "Lying for Truth", the 'political gains at all costs' behavior of the Left around the world looks a lot more like Nazi tactics. Hitler posed as a socialist, too, pretending to defend people from warmongers and the evil threats of world powers.

How wonderful that these folks can be distracted from the horrors of a nation just because both parties hate the US. How wonderful that Arab nations that behead and torture get a free ride from moralists because they happen to be on the 'right' side of this conflict. How nice that China can continue torturing and abusing and threatening just because everyone is so distracted by their irrational hate of Bush.

Who's to say that Toblerone isn't the one carrying the fear-mongering, despot promoting message? Who's to say a hundred up-and-coming Hitlers all around the world aren't laughing themselves sick over the fact that they have so many well-meaning people carrying their hateful message against their one major opponent?

Shameful.

Dr Guy

on Jun 19, 2005

You want to throw bombs from Down Under, feel free, but be careful to look down... your ignorance is showing. Disagreeing with policies & decisions is fine. Offering alternative constructive ideas is fine. But this is stupid. Sorry, it just is.

Daiwa, why do you try to reason with those who lose before the debate is even begun? If someone is going to use Nazis as their argument, they lost before they uttered their second syllable.

Your post is a great one, just wasted on a wasted article.

drmiler

on Jun 19, 2005

#17 by zinkadoodle
Sunday, June 19, 2005

because someone holds a differing opinion doesn't mean they are stupid, ill informed, brainwashed, or Nazis.

In this case, we're merely pointing out the similarities. You don't like it, tough shit. Just calling a spade a spade.

Knock off the swearing and personal attacks. I can promise you will not enjoy the outcome.

zinkadoodle

on Jun 19, 2005

Knock off the swearing and personal attacks. I can promise you will not enjoy the outcome.

For cryin' out loud, the personal attacks were not made by me. And, I forgot...... only you are allowed to swear. Are you saving all of my posts now, the way you saved dabe's? I sure hope this site's admininstrators don't buy into your extremely hypocritical bs. Oops, forgot again. You have a patent on the "bs" shortcut. Dammmmmmmmmmm.................

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