Once again left arguments (yes also some from the right too) that people who disagree with their OPINION must be brainwashed or ill informed. This is a cheap non-intellectual argument at best. Cheap thinly veiled insults without merit.

Given the full facts of any situation two people can and likely will form different opinions based on those same facts. The truth is that many intelligent, well informed and thoughtful people are going to have opinions that significantly differ from your own.

Try debating without insults, veiled or otherwise, without emotionally inflammatory and often irrelevant rhetoric, and accept the fact that because someone holds a differing opinion doesn't mean they are stupid, ill informed, brainwashed, or Nazis.

because someone holds a differing opinion doesn't mean they are stupid, ill informed, brainwashed, or Nazis.

In this case, we're merely pointing out the similarities. You don't like it, tough shit. Just calling a spade a spade.

"In this case, we're merely pointing out the similarities. You don't like it, tough shit. Just calling a spade a spade."

Zinkadoodle, you don't understand.

What we don't like is not that you point out similarities, it is that you do not.

And if we don't like it, is indeed "tough shit" (sorry), but not for us, but for you; because it means but one thing, namely that the "argument" has completely failed to convince any one of us.

You merely show to us that the left feel that there is a moral equivalence between George Bush's policies and Nazi crimes. But that is merely an attempt to trivialise Nazi crimes and it puts you right in the camp of neo-Nazis and white supremacists and other scum like them. But to demonstrate how little difference there is between the left and the scum does, surprisingly enough, not convince us that the left are right (no pun intended).

You're missing the point there, the point was is the Bush admin. looking to him for wisdom.

And that idea is insane. To pretend they are looking to Goering for "wisdom" is psychotic at best.

To Champas Socialist, I apologize for my ignorance of Aussie slang.

Cheers,
Daiwa

You don't like it, tough shit. Just calling a spade a spade.

How very adult and intellectual of you. You're obviously a person of deep thought and high reason. I'm sure I can lend credence to everything you have to say now.

As I pointed out in my post above, I tend not to really compare the Bush administration to Nazism and Hitler, but rather to its similarities to the concept of fascism, in general. I am sorry if I offended you, Andrew, but I get really frustrated with the righties' out of hand dismissal of anything that remotely hints of dissent from the dubya administration policies. In fact, as these posters are well aware, I don't merely hint, but am a blatently dissenter. I really despise everything Bush related, from Bush himself to his family to the neocon fascists with whom he surrounds himself and gets advice from. I am sorry that you don't see it.

As far as looking to Bush for wisdom, that's one sorry joke. The man cannot even string a sentence together. He's a joke. A very sick joke on the American people, for whom history will not treat him kindly. People are already starting to wonder what he's gotten this country into. It's about time.

If you think my arguments are juvenile, then I suggest you catch a few others' here who post daily hate liberal articles continually. That's juvenile, at best. I really don't care what island dog, mason, drguy, modman, or drmiler think, to name a few. In fact, I kind of enjoy pissing 'em off. Yeah, that's juvenile. But, as I said, tough shit.

what cracks me up is if this is such a nazi state, how come you are still posting anti adminisration crap and have not been hauled off and shot? think about it.

You merely show to us that the left feel that there is a moral equivalence between George Bush's policies and Nazi crimes. But that is merely an attempt to trivialise Nazi crimes and it puts you right in the camp of neo-Nazis and white supremacists and other scum like them. But to demonstrate how little difference there is between the left and the scum does, surprisingly enough, not convince us that the left are right (no pun intended).

You always have a way with words.  Very well stated.

Andrew, but I get really frustrated with the righties' out of hand dismissal of anything that remotely hints of dissent from the dubya administration policies.

Disagreeement with policy is one thing.  We have had many a spirited debate here where the left and even some on the right have disagreed with his policies. I can only attribute your ignorance in this area to you being a newbie

But again you miss his point.  Once you resort to inflamatory rhetoric and specious comparisons, you have not only lost all hope of making a point, you have defeated your own purpose.  So yet again, instead of trying to convince some of the majority that voted for Bush, you have just shown them the total lack of a rational argument and any alternative.  In short, the only ones you impress with your arrogant idiocy is yourself.

what cracks me up is if this is such a nazi state, how come you are still posting anti adminisration crap and have not been hauled off and shot? think about it.

If you're replying to me, apparently, you cannot read. I said "fascist".

But again you miss his point. Once you resort to inflamatory rhetoric and specious comparisons, you have not only lost all hope of making a point, you have defeated your own purpose.

Does "liberals are anti-Christians?" ring any bells?
Who said what about black kettles and glass houses? Sheesh............

In short, the only ones you impress with your arrogant idiocy is yourself.

Obviously, the only arrogance you don't perceive as such is when it's righty based. None of what you said here is even remotely on topic. It's just bashing me. So get the hell real, and practice what you preach.

Daiwa: And that idea is insane. To pretend they are looking to Goering for "wisdom" is psychotic at best.

Well the idea of Bush himself looking to Goering would be insane yes, because he can't read (I'm just kidding) but someone else in his cubby house might. Actually my point of posting the quote (which you might notice I hadn't actually commented on, so any opinion you attritute to me is pure speculation based on the headline) was simple to point out the similarity in propaganda tactics. I wrote an inflamatory headline so people would visit, so sue me. While we are at it though is there any reason why a bunch of well educated people with an agenda WOULDN'T use a propaganda tactic, Nazi or not, to their advantage? Would that be sane knowing politicians as we do? Do you live in a world where politicians don't try to sway public opinion using every trick in the book?(If so what drugs do I have to take to get there?) It isn't exactly an original idea, being manipulative in this way has been around for centuries. The Nazi may have used this tactic but it is a safe bet they weren't the first and they won't be the last. Really accusing people of not being patriotic is just a sort of "divide and conquer" tactic, the difference is it is aimed at making an uneven divide in favour of the crowd that support you.

Dear Andrew J. Brehm oh sarcastic one, the point of posting the quote was to point similarity in propaganda tactics not to say that Bushco is an exact replica of Hitlerco, I hope you enjoyed writing that essay though.

You see, Toblerone, everybody who knows something about Nazis, knows that the quoted statement above is true for fascists only. A democratic leader cannot afford quiet disagreement. Because quiet disagreement loses elections. Democracy is the system where quiet disagreement becomes fatal. That is why democracy works. But unfortunately REAL fascists don't care for democracy

Err no, a quiet disagreement doesn't not lose elections, hell not even a loud one does (remember the demostrations, opinion poles etc) Only a majority disagreement loses elections and that is exactly what the tactic is meant to deal with*cue mock scharmyness* you see everyone that knows something about democracy knows that. The whole idea is that people can be brought around after the fact and go "that was a great idea all along, even though I opposed it before we went to war now I think it just peachy *grin*". Fascists still need the support of their troops by the way, they aren't magic you know, the fear has to come from somewhere, namely people with guns, and if the people with guns don't like you you're in deep shit. "Viva la revolution!"

The quote by the way is actually an drastically abridged version of a conversation between Goering and his shrink and Goering's shrink brings up the same arguement as you as seen below.

Goering: "Why, of course, the people don't want war," Goering shrugged. "Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece. Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship." Goering's shrink: ]"There is one difference," I pointed out. "In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars." Goering: "Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country."

You can check out the full story at the urban legends reference (this quote is rated as true) at http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm

Zinkadoodle,

"I tend not to really compare the Bush administration to Nazism and Hitler, but rather to its similarities to the concept of fascism, in general."

what exactly is the "concept of fascism" as opposed to "Nazism and Hitler"?

You might be under the impression that stating that Bush's policies compare to the gasing of several million people is a position that "remotely hints of dissent from the dubya administration practices". But if you are, you will never be able to convince anybody. The position you appear to defend is ridiculous at best and contempt for the victims of fascism at worst.

And if you believe that a president who holds an MBA and who can fly an aircraft (and land it on an aircraft carrier?) is a "joke", then I'm afraid you will find very few people who qualify as serious using your standards.

Your answer to Moderateman's remark again shows that you seem to have no idea what fascism actually is. How can we take your statements seriously?

Obviously, the only arrogance you don't perceive as such is when it's righty based. None of what you said here is even remotely on topic. It's just bashing me. So get the hell real, and practice what you preach.

See?  Your own arrogance prevents you from taking advice from someone not a sheeple.  You still have not addressed the point and instead just used useless rhetortic to justify your own indefensible position.

What I said was all on topic.  You just dont like the way the topic is going.  That is your problem, not mine.

You can check out the full story at the urban legends reference (this quote is rated as true) at http://www.snopes.com/quotes/goering.htm[/quote]

The funny part of the quote, is that this article and your insistance upon it can also be viewed in the same light.

My original statement stands.  If you cannot comeup with valid reasons, and not hyperbole, to justify your position, you have lost.