Bush Admin. students of Nazi propaganda tactics?

on Jun 28, 2005

"My question is why. In this case one person's guess is as good as another because nobody knows the truth and the possiblities are infinite."

If you don't know something, guesses are more likely to be wrong the more specific they are.

If I had to guess the outcome of a game of roulette and guessed "red", I would more likely be right than somebody who guessed "14". And to bet one's life on "14" is therefor more insane than betting one's life on "red". It's even better to recognise "red" as a possible outcome.

And it's certainly more sane to base one's game on believing in the possibility of "red" than on the certainty of "14".

A sane person is more likely to bet some money on "red" than all his money on "14".

And that's because the first is a calculated risk and fun while the second is ruining your life.

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Toblerone

on Jun 28, 2005

If you don't know something, guesses are more likely to be wrong the more specific they are....

Agreed, I already gave a similar example a couple of posts back.

A sane person is more likely to bet some money on "red" than all his money on "14".....

I think you are confusing sanity with caution. Think about base jumpers. To people who aren't willing to take that risk they look "crazy" but usually base jumper are fairly normal people who jump happen to get a thrill out of high risk behaviour. Granted doing things that are highly risky all the time might rightly get you the label of stupid, but sanity is another issue all together.

I can't say exactly what goes on in a person's mind that leads them to do these terrible things all I can tell you is that these people believe in their cause. They think they are doing good. They think everyone else is on the side of evil. Therefore from their point of view their is no reason why they shouldn't be rewarded any less than a goody-two shoes Christian expects to go to heaven. The 72 virgins thing is just an elboration on what paradise will be like, and not suprisingly it seem to be a very male centre vision of paradise.

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on Jun 28, 2005

Yeah I remember reading that in 3001: A Final Odyssey by Arthur C. Clarke

--One of the best authors and Series around...

If you don't know something, guesses are more likely to be wrong the more specific they are

--maybe...

--doc b

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COL Gene

on Jun 28, 2005

Bakerstreet

The Bush Service record is very clear from his own military records. Dislike of Bush does not alter the fact he did not attend drills for 6 months in 1972, he did not follow orders and Air Force Regulations, he was grounded for not taking a physical and had it not been that he was the son of a powerful man (George H W Bush) he would have had to pay the price for not following the regulations that were in place.

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bakerstreet

on Jun 28, 2005

Wow, and Col Gene uses a reply as an excuse to reiterate the same statement he has made 100 times before, ignoring the point of what he is replying to.

I am beginning to think that the Col's posts aren't even for us or the casual JU reader, rather they are for stacking search engine results. Kind of like the folks we read about who do all the "Nazi" stuff regarding Bush so that anyone who searches Nazis comes up with Bush.

I really wonder. I can't think of many reasons someone would want to say the same thing on 100 different pages, and then when challenged say the same thing back, almost verbatim. They could, of course, be an AI programmed to do it tirelessly. Obviously it isn't to persuade us, since nothing is being done to do so..

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on Jun 28, 2005

Bakerstreet

The Bush Service record is very clear from his own military records. Dislike of Bush does not alter the fact he did not attend drills for 6 months in 1972, he did not follow orders and Air Force Regulations, he was grounded for not taking a physical and had it not been that he was the son of a powerful man (George H W Bush) he would have had to pay the price for not following the regulations that were in place.

--COL G, what you seem to forget is that there were many others that bailed on military service...so don't go blaming bush...blame the others...

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drmiler

on Jun 28, 2005

The Bush Service record is very clear from his own military records. Dislike of Bush does not alter the fact he did not attend drills for 6 months in 1972, he did not follow orders and Air Force Regulations, he was grounded for not taking a physical and had it not been that he was the son of a powerful man (George H W Bush) he would have had to pay the price for not following the regulations that were in place.

Hey Col... "if" what your saying is a fact then why is it your the only one shouting about it and not the democrats or the liberals? Can you explain that?

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drmiler

on Jun 28, 2005

Bakerstreet

The Bush Service record is very clear from his own military records. Dislike of Bush does not alter the fact he did not attend drills for 6 months in 1972, he did not follow orders and Air Force Regulations, he was grounded for not taking a physical and had it not been that he was the son of a powerful man (George H W Bush) he would have had to pay the price for not following the regulations that were in place.

--COL G, what you seem to forget is that there were many others that bailed on military service...so don't go blaming bush...blame the others...

Yeah how about we start with Clinton?

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COL Gene

on Jun 28, 2005

Clinton and Cheney were up front. They did not want to go to Vietnam and did everything to stay out of the military. Bush also did not want to go to Vietnam but wanted it to look as if he served when it did not prevent him from doing what he wanted to do. He knew that National Guard Uniits did not go to Vietnam. We in the Army had a saying, "women and children first and then the National Guard", when talking about going to Vietnam!

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COL Gene

on Jun 28, 2005

Drmiler

The information about the Bush service was first reported bt the Boston Globe and last year DoD released the Bush records. The one record that has not surfased is the required report that results when a Pilot does not take a physical and is grounded. The summary of his pay records shows he did not attend drills and was not paid for drills June- Oct and Dec 1972. The excuse given was that he has enough drills for a "Good Retirement Year" Problem is that to maintain flight status, a pilot MUST fly and attend double the number of drills needed for a "good retirement" year. The fact is Bush failed to attend drills and maintain flight STATUS and then did not take his physical and was GROUNDED! The ONLY reason he was in the Guard was to fly for which the taxpayers paid a lot of money to train him!

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Toblerone

on Jun 28, 2005

--One of the best authors and Series around...

Agreed. Have you read Time's Eye yet? It is sort of a Time Odyssey version of the series co-written with Steven Baxter, Arthur calls it an orthequel to Space Odyssey.

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drmiler

on Jun 29, 2005

The information about the Bush service was first reported bt the Boston Globe and last year DoD released the Bush records. The one record that has not surfased is the required report that results when a Pilot does not take a physical and is grounded. The summary of his pay records shows he did not attend drills and was not paid for drills June- Oct and Dec 1972. The excuse given was that he has enough drills for a "Good Retirement Year" Problem is that to maintain flight status, a pilot MUST fly and attend double the number of drills needed for a "good retirement" year. The fact is Bush failed to attend drills and maintain flight STATUS and then did not take his physical and was GROUNDED! The ONLY reason he was in the Guard was to fly for which the taxpayers paid a lot of money to train him!

LIKE I SAID:

Hey Col... "if" what your saying is a fact then why is it your the only one shouting about it and not the democrats or the liberals?

Since "your" the only one whining about it I expect it's either not a big deal or bogus. And just an FYI for the rest of the class. Cheney may have used deferments to get out of going, but Clinton "dodged" the draft entirely!

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COL Gene

on Jun 29, 2005

drmiler

I am far from the only one talking about the Bush military service. The number of people talking about his service does not change the fact he did not obey regulations. I wonder what Buah would say if the military today did not obey his orders the same way he did not obey the orders of the Commander-in-Chief (Nixon) that was in charge when he failed to get a REQUIRED physical and attend drills?

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drmiler

on Jun 29, 2005

drmiler

I am far from the only one talking about the Bush military service. The number of people talking about his service does not change the fact he did not obey regulations. I wonder what Buah would say if the military today did not obey his orders the same way he did not obey the orders of the Commander-in-Chief (Nixon) that was in charge when he failed to get a REQUIRED physical and attend drills?

Okay, I'm from Missouri. Show me who else is whining!

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Island Dog

on Jun 29, 2005

I am far from the only one talking about the Bush military service. The number of people talking about his service does not change the fact he did not obey regulations. I wonder what Buah would say if the military today did not obey his orders the same way he did not obey the orders of the Commander-in-Chief (Nixon) that was in charge when he failed to get a REQUIRED physical and attend drills?

And that really shows how pathetic you are. Bush not attending drills is a useless issue that liberals use to somehow justify more of their hatred against Bush. Amazing how people who hate the military so much are so offended that Bush missed a drill.